Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy expertly turned the tables on Neil Cavuto when the Fox Business host tried to get him to attack the GOP frontrunner in the 2024 race.

The pair spoke Tuesday on “Your World” about the various criminal charges filed against Donald Trump this year and Ramaswamy’s promise to pardon the former president if elected.

If Cavuto was hoping the entrepreneur would blast Trump over the indictments, he was wrong.

Indeed, Ramaswamy told the host it is the indictments that are wrong.

“I will be unabashed about standing on the side of principle when I say, yes, these prosecutions are wrong,” he said.

“But there are 91 criminal charges in all … as you’re aware, over four criminal cases. They can’t all be politicized, can they? I mean, there’s something that the former president must have done in any one of these that struck you as wrong, if not illegal,” Cavuto said.

“I think, Neil, just because the government has brought a case, if we’re going to be a culture that now starts to say, ‘There must be something wrong if the government has charged 91 counts,’ I think that’s a … people of sheep. And when the people behave like sheep, that breeds a government of wolves,” Ramaswamy answered.

“You don’t think there’s anything in this case, Vivek?” Cavuto interjected, referencing the charges filed Monday night in Fulton County, Georgia, focused on Trump’s challenge of the 2020 election results.

“So, no, I am skeptical,” he said.

Cavuto pushed further, saying, “You don’t think there’s anything in this case that shows or even strongly hints of the former president trying to reverse that Georgia, that Georgia contest?”

Ramaswamy, who raised eyebrows Saturday for rapping at the Iowa State Fair, refused to acquiesce to Cavuto’s attack.

“There’s a difference between a bad judgment and an illegal act,” he said.

“I have one question in my mind,” Ramaswamy said. “I’m running to be our next president. I ask, what is in the interest of this nation? Do I believe that these prosecutors or these elected officials or these federal prosecutors are advancing the interests of this nation when they’re bringing this unprecedented indictment, not one time, but now four times over?

“No, I think our country is worse off because of this politicization.”

It is just another example of how well Ramaswamy handles himself in these situations.

This isn’t the first time in the last week that the GOP candidate has proved to be an expert at handling what could have been a difficult situation. During the Iowa State Fair, he gave another masterclass on how to handle someone who disagrees with his politics.

At the fair, a woman confronted him about his stance on the “LGBTQ+ community.”

“Well, I don’t think it’s one community,” Ramaswamy replied.


“I mean, how could it be?” he said. “Just mash together an alphabet soup. Trans is fundamentally in tension with gay, if you ask me. But what’s your opinion?”

The woman said she was “pansexual,” whatever that is, and asked what he thought about same-sex couples.

His reply was perfect.

“I don’t have a negative view of same-sex couples, but I do have a negative view of a tyranny of the minority,” Ramaswamy said.

He continued, “So I think that in the name of protecting against the tyranny of the majority — and there are times in this country’s history where we have had a tyranny of the majority — we have now, in the name of protecting against tyranny of the majority, created a new tyranny of the minority.

“And I think that that’s wrong. I don’t think that somebody who’s religious should be forced to officiate a wedding that they disagree with.

“I don’t think somebody who is a woman who’s worked really hard for her achievements should be forced to compete against a biological man in a swim competition.

“I don’t think that somebody who’s a woman that respects her bodily autonomy and dignity should be forced to change clothes in a locker room with a man.

“That’s not freedom. That’s oppression.”

Ramaswamy nailed it with his “tyranny of the minority” comment. He is exactly right that we are allowing a tiny subset of people to dictate to everyone else, and it’s often a diktat that violates the free speech and free religion rights of most people.

The Ohio-born candidate has disappointed others by refusing to attack Trump even though the former president is the clear frontrunner in the GOP race.

After the Fulton County indictments came down, Ramaswamy blasted them as “downright pathetic.”

“Here we go again: another disastrous Trump indictment. It’s downright pathetic that Fulton County publicly posted the indictment on its website even before the grand jury had finished convening,” he wrote on social media.

Earlier this month, Ramaswamy was also seen defending Trump, calling the third indictment — special counsel Jack Smith’s charges related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol incursion — “a political persecution through prosecution … [of] the lead contender in the Republican primary for U.S. President.”

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